>> geraldo: probing the boston bombings this a fox news alert. i'm geraldo rivera reporting that the week that started with explosions and gunfire screams and misery is ending with cheers, relief and neil diamond singing "sweet caroline" the team's anthem at the red sox game at fenway park. as we grieve for the dead and pray for the wounded and is celebrate the awesome effort to hunt down, kill and capture the perpetrators, now comes the hard questions we will try to answer tonight. like when and by who will dhokhar tsarnaev the 19-year-old surviving suspect be interrogated. should he get his miranda

warnings against self-incrimination. tried in a is civilian court or military tribunal. before we go there let's start with the latest from the scene and why craig and a i immediately recognized the pressure cooker bombs. we have seen them many times before. here is craig's crime time report. >> reporter: the quiet streets of watertown became a war zone as the boston marathon bombers made their last stand here. homes can be seen riddled with bullets. this black mark from a pressure cooker bomb, one just like the one that was used to kill three people, wounding 180. >> there was two cars. black suv and a green looked like honda accord. had some bags that he was one of the guys was lighting things and throwing them. had fuses and they would explode but you also lots of shoot going on. >> brothers dhokhar 19 and

26-year-old tamerlan starr tsarnaev add to the marathon death toll, killing police officer shawn collier in cold blood. >> the police officer that was killed you said it was a massacre. >> assassination. he was shot two times in the back of the head as he was in the cruiser. he didn't have a chance to defend himself. >> reporter: the officers responding to an all points bulletin of a carjacking when they saw the stolen mercedes, followed closely by a green honda. >> how did you first learn where they were? >> we got notified by the cambridge police department there was an execution of an mit police officer and then there was a carjacking. we from what we heard from the carjack the victim's cell phone was left in the vehicle so the police were able toping the phone and we were told the vehicle is in watertown. >> reporter: when the brothers realized they were being pursued they opened fire. >> three more officers.

two off duty officers showed up within a men or two and we were in a serious gunfight in a backstreet in watertown and 2 or 300 rounds went off and three bombs went off in a ten minute period. >> reporter: as the battle raged 3-year-old transit officer richard donahue was gravely wounded. >> tell me about that battle and the arm ament that they had? >> handguns and long arm and they threw five bombs. three went off, two didn't. one of the bombs my understanding is, is a similar if not exactly like the bomb that went off at the boston marathon. >> this guy lit something and it was much bigger. co-only make it to right there where you see there is right in front of that silver car there that is where that landed and that much so many bigger than the other ones. knocked some pictures off the wall. that was the point we were like

holy crap. >> james and lizzy huddled inside their home, shielding their newborn son billy but couldn't resist watching from the bedroom window. >> reporter: and with your little baby. what are you thinking? >> i was petrified. i felt safe because he there was. we were just watching it was like a movie. it was incredible. >> you don't train for this or plan for this. >> reporter: neighbors say tamerlan ran towards the officer firing his weapon rambo style while his brother tossed explosives. this is where dhokhar ran over his older brother as he was trying to make his desperate escape. >> he ran over his own brother and dragged him down the street and then we had a transit police officer that came in behind our officers that was shot in the groin in the artery and was bleeding out so we had our officers went to that person's aid. >> reporter: a portrait emerged of the brothers, naturalized

citizens. radded calizeed islamists here in america in recent years. tamerlan spent six months in russia last year. top cops want to know if the attacks are tied to islam eck terror training camps. item, may 2012, u.s. jurors hear that express ives experts found a pressure cooker containing smokeless gun powder in the texas motel room of a soldier planning to blow up fort hood military troops. item, may 2010 one of three devices used in the times square bombing was a pressure cook. getting to and from the villages is dangerous for the military and the roads are often lined with ieds. >> on patrol in afghanistan, i saw items sold right outside their base used to attack soldiers. >> many times the ieds used against the military are made with crude devices. a pressure cookers and

fertilizers and a lot of times you can see that the pressure cooker is being sold right in the market right next to the fertilizer store. >> the 506 lost two soldiers when taliban fighters set their deadly sights as they exited the vehicle. >> was it your impression they were going to use that for another massive bombing? >> in retrospect now we saved a lot of lives. they he didn't flee the scene after the boston marathon. >> reporter: less than an hour after the search for dhokhar was called off a resident notice blood on his covered boat and called 911 after finding the bloodied 19-year-old college student hiding in his boat? >> how did you end up getting him out of the boat? >> talking him out. the negotiation team went in. he eventually stood up, answered so commands. we were concerned he might have a device on his chest.

he lifted his shirt to show us that he didn't and the people on scene were able to take him into custody. >> reporter: the chief is not alone in his pride. grateful residents streamed into the watertown police department carrying trays of food. smiling children delivered cheerful letters. one tearful couple bursting with pride even gave up cherished red sox tickets to the heroic companies who put their lives on the line. >> geraldo: when is dhokhar going to be healthy enough to be questioned? adam housely is at beth israel hospital in boston where he is being treated. what is his condition? >> that is a million dollars question. how much has he been asked. is he coherent enough to ask and when will that all begin? we have been told a couple of things. not a lot but a couple of things. the u.s. attorney's office as well as the fbi said that the suspect here is in serious but stable condition at this hour.

that he is expected to make and you can hear a helicopter taking off here at the emergency room where he was brought in. under heavy guard here as well. he was -- at this time last night, of course, the operation we were told was underway. he has a number of injuries. at least two of them are gun sals shot wounds. one is to the head or neck region and the other maybe to his leg. but, of course, the hospital keeping very, very quiet here. us abi said they will give statement said he is in serious condition, nothing more than that. a lot of guards here. inside, outside. every entrance. every exit. you to have a pass and they check your purse and your bag and your jacket. and if you don't have someone inside you are not allowed to go in at all, not even to use the bathroom here. on the floor where he is held a large police presence as well. we are told that a specialized team here to ask him questions when is ready when doctors say he is ready. are they inside there waiting? we don't know for sure but last

night about 4:30 this morning we saw two fbi investigators come out and get this their car and drive off. they didn't answer any of our questions when we approached them. it gives you an idea how serious the situation is here. even though boston is coming back to life and rebeginning to recover here that the hospital they are keeping this boy alive and doing what they can to try to make sure they get as much information out of him as possible. the same hospital where his brother was pronounced dead and some of the people affected by the bombs on monday are still recovering. geraldo? >> geraldo: adam housley in boston. thanks for the updates. of all of the twists and turns perhaps none is more shocking than the fact that the feds were warned. they were arounded that the dead older brother tamerlan had turned to the dark side. did they share that information with the boston p.d.? that is next. [ male announcer ] when you're at the corner of "multivitamin"

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>> geraldo: here is the question with the boston marathon massacre. did the brothers commit the vial crimes on their own or did they have outside help from al-qaeda or some other terrorist group? chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge joins us. catherine, so what do we know? did they have help or not? >> that is one of the things investigators are looking into and scrubbing the records of the event. two yea acin 2012 when the russian government asked the fbi to investigate the older brother but a because he was a quote radical supporter of islam and a strong believer and left the united states to join what the russians described as unspecified terrorist groups. the revealation is causing unease at the bureau. >> there are a lot of palpiat that timions going on about

what did they say and what if anything did they miss and that will be heavily scrutinized. >> former head of count youer terrorism at the fbi says the bar are is high with federal investigators without solid evidence of terrorist activities and identifying with an extremist group's ideas is simply not enough. >> we have hundred hundreds ift thousands of people in the country who is have some sort of sympathy to foreign terrorist organizations and in the nature of this democracy there is only so much you can do. >> fox news is told that investigators are exploring poe he tension links between the older brother and an extremist group known as the caucuses emrate. this is based on the travel in the first half of 201 which stops in chechnya and the content of the older brother's youtube channel. the group is known for its attacks on russian trains and the russian airport.

it was designated a terrorist entity in 2011 by the u.n. al-qaeda and taliban sanctions committee and by the u.s. state department that year. fox news is told this is one of several groups they are looking at but one of th key questionss whether they were able to do this on their own or part of a survivors you port network that was part of a broader conspiracy helping them unwittingly in the leadup to the bombings. >> geraldo: on thursday when they released the video they said these are the people we are looking for and no names attached. at what point did they figure out that they had interviewed the old oar brother two years previously? >> i believe it was after the pickup that they realized they had interviewed him and what struck me, geraldo is, how complete the statement was from the fbi on this incident because it goes as far as to say that a foreign government we believe it is the russian government indicated that this guy was already radicalized and

was traveling outside of the country and one of the key questions for investigators is where did he get the training. a former member of the joint terrorism task force with the fbi said that these guys almost had what amounted to a small explosives factory going on in the boston area and to produce that many explosives that are viable and to handle so many without an accident takes real training but it also takes sustained practice because making bombs is like being trained to be a surgeon. you can't just learn and then try it a couple you of years later. you to be constantly practicing your skills to be successful. >> geraldo: thank you. i appreciate it. joining me ho now the first ofr guests. the former assistant director of the ncis and bo deedle. it is obvious or would appear

logical when came back for six months. six months you could learn how to do this. you could launch a nuke. >> they put you on a watch list if you come in with over $10,000. he wasn't o on a watch list. his mother and father came here for asylum. they went back to russia. stevie wonder as an fbi agent could figure this out. where are the parents now. she got locked up and he couldn't get nationalized because assaulting his girlfriend or his wife whoever it is. it goes on and on. dropped the ball with 9/11 with the planes taking off and learning how you to fly but you don't learn how to land. my problem is if this is a game change. we need the fbi to get more involved. i sal something and a lot of people get angry when i talk. stop spending the money on the organized crime. these terrorists are the ones that kill our children and kids with no legs and little kids being killed. we need the fbi. are start focusing on the damn

terrorists. >> geraldo: if he is going back to russia how are they getting him go back to russia if two years earlier they asked the united states to check him out if they said he was returning to the dark side, radical islam. >> to provide perspective. incredibly dram ironjack and emotional event right now. if a service a friendly service now a friendly service like the fsv makes that request to the fbi and the fbi does a preliminary investigation and interview the individual and run database checks and law enforcement intelligence indices, reach out to allies and let's say there wasn't much there, they he work with the fsb. >> used to be called the kgb. >> the rough equivalent of the fbi for russia. >> but we do admit one thing. we a game changer now.

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the best way to get information interest this suspect is to initially hold him as an enemy combatant because there is evidence to suggest there is a terror attack and not a common crime and we don't have to read him the miranda rights. how can they question him

without reading him miranda rights international the court recognizes a public sety exception. triggered when the information the suspect has is necessary to protect the public or cops from immediate danger. questions like do you is any more bombs out there o kw of any other terrorist attacks or any other terrorists lying in wait. is he is going to be questioned without the miranda rights but is going to be tried in a civil court. how does attorney ann coulter feel about that? she joins my panel of bo and robert. are hi. >> hello. >> geraldo: what are you thinking? >> two points one is the case that discovered the public safety exception was a rape case. it wasn't a terrorist with bombs. cops stopped him and found an empty who willster and said where is the gun. the new york court said no miranda and has to be thrown out. the supreme court said no, this is silly. it wasn't nearly as extreme as this whe y don't know if he is working with other people or

others. miranda isn't in the constitution. what the court should look at is it the confession voluntary not whether a specific set of words were read. rehnquist ended up upholding it becae of star idecised us. kind of a stretch that the precise words are necessary. >> geraldo: military tribunal. >> i already answered that. give me a break. you don't have to read miranda to a rapist. the rape is over. we are not worried about another bomb. >> geraldosa it in english. court or tribunal? >> oh, court or tribunal. i suspect we need to know a little more infmation but certainly looking like a military tribunal. >> geraldo: do you want it to be military tribunal? >> depends on the facts but looks like yes, this was.

>> geraldo: quadruple murder and four death sentences on this guy. >> i don't care what the guys were saying during the commcial break. a military tribunal done properly are does not give the defendant as many protections as a mere criminal in the united states. >> geraldo: robert first and then bo. >> i feel like a 9th grader trying to get in with the varsity here. sorry. i testified in a number of the guantanamo trials. they work and it can work under that context but i'm in the camp that says article 3 courts, federal courts have a great track record for trying terrorism trials. i believe this would also be a candidate for that. >> you have enough information, engh evidence. he has already admitted to the guy they hijacked. you have a good case here. mary jo white when she was here, remember the santa claus looking guy, he is in the federal pen degreesry for the

rest of his life. the guy with the shoe bomber are. they do a good job the united states. they will do a great job be with the evidence and be able to convict him. doesn't say that he can't cooperate with his lawyer and all of a sudden they can promise not to hang him from the tallest rafters. life imprisonment and no death penalty and he will open up. tell us the connections and then we will give you life forever in the supermax. >> just like terry nichols in oklahoma city and tim mcveigh. >> i think the article three court is going to give him much more of a chance of not getting the death penalty. if you watch what is happening. >> geraldo: i give him straight murder death penalty. >> hold on, they are already -- ♪ the trucks are going farther. the 2013 ram 1500 with best-in-class fuel economy. engineered to move heaven and earth.

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live from america's news headquarters i'm marianne rafferty. some of the people who live near the site of a deadly fertilizer plant explosion in texas is heading home while a new problem is keeping officials busy. not everyone still has a home to come back to following wednesday night's blast which leveled dozens of houses and killed at least 14 people and injured nearly 200 others. leaking gas tanks triggered new fires at the site. meanwhile the midwest is dealing with severe floods after a week of heavy rain. the national weather service predicting major flooding on the mississippi river for this weekend and into next week. the quad-cities to just north

of st. louis and areas forther south are expected to be vulnerable later. i'm marianne rafferty. now, back to "geraldo at large." for all of the latest headlines log on to foxnews.com. you are watching the most powerful name in news, fox news channel. >> geraldo: back live. my guests ann coulter and robert mcfadden and bo. you know bo the hero nypd cop. i'm shocked that a constitutional attorney would pick a military tribunal when you clearly have civil jurisdiction here and the ability of the federal court to put this person to death as they put timothy mcveigh to death. is irfuteable. i don't understand the need to do? >> what i'm saying before is what you guys are talking about is results o or oriented. i think a military tribunal a

is legally appropriate. having put that aside i think you are wrong to think that an article three court is going to get the same justice we got in the the case of timothy mcveigh. he had the land record for crime to death penalty because liberals decided to portray him as a conservative although he was an atheist and a big pot smoker. more like bill maher than my politics. here they are defending him. they talked about how it was the older brother and calling him a boy and this network was calling him a gentleman. >> i don't think you will get that. right now you you have people running in a race and little children there and put the bag next to the little 8-year-old boy. his face will come up in the trial. the little kids with their legs blown off. people running the race for one reason, for people -- they have reasons for running. >> unemployment' telling you left is lobbying to keep this guy from getting the death penalty.

change the channel from fox and you will see. >> geraldo: the only way he doesn't the get the death penalty is if he rolls completely and gives up a terror cell and tracks it and becomes essentially an informant. >> i hope. >> robert mcfadden, ncis. mark harmon's role modeled after him in real life. the ncis guy. >> he is pretty handsome. >> geraldo: do you think the fbi informed the boston p.d. they were questioning someone in their jurisdiction for suspected terrorist activity back in 201? >> that is a good question? depends on whether the lead if it was from the russian fsb went to the joint terrorism task force or fbi field office. the task force are there very well could have been talk in there. for perspective on this okay because it is a major leadership decision when there is a situation like this we still don't know how much information there was on tamerlan that would have -- >> geraldo: the older brother, the dead brother.

>> that could have kept him in the database. we have executive order 12333 intelligence oversight which governs collection on u.s. persons. he would have been a u.s. person. >> he wasn't naturalized. >> geraldo: he never got citizenship, tim. >> but still a legal resident alien gets the same protection. the point there is after a certain period of time if it there is little to no evidence of the decision whether to keep him in the database. >> geraldo: here is my thing and this is why i believe, ladies and gentlemen, this are many, many questions unanswered. if the russians feel strongly enough about this guy in 2011 to ask the united states to check him out, how then do they grant him a visa to go back to russia and he stays six months and in six months you could learn to do any kind of that fairous. >> that is a valid question and the kind of things full speed ahead being looked at right now. interesting to know if the

russians felt that strongly enough about it in this case did they give the notice through interi interpol. would demonstrate what they might have. >> geraldo: the next guest, one of the by products of the the bombings will be increased scrutinizism of american muslims. welcome. are you worried? >> hi, geraldo. thanks for are having me on the program. >> geraldo: how you are you feeling now? do you have a sense of anxiety? do you worry? >> yeah, i mean stuff like this is always worry some not only for the community and the muslim world but just in general i think across-the-board people are just is suspicious of anybody who is -- has any association with islam.

and you know when it happened i think a lot of muslims were like oh, good, it's two white guys and then found out that they were muslim and they were like oh, dang it, it's one of us. that doesn't reflect good on our society. >> geraldo: you are going to be experiencing even more profiling and scrutiny than muslim student groups for instance were experiencing before. you think that is fair? or do you think it is inevitable or -- >> it is inevitable. and i as much as i don't like it i understand it. whenever somebody from your own group commits a terrorist act like this then we are on everybody's radar again. and it is nothing new for me. i have since september 11th i

have continuously been profiled and detained. i have been arrested a few times because my name matches the name of a terrorist on the fbi most the wanted list unfortunately. and that is why, you know, found refuge in comedy was to try to talk about it and lighten the general population that not all muslims are what you see on the news. and also to define that most arabs are muslim but most muslims are not arab. and so you see this with this situation and it is unfortunate and my prayers go out to the victims and the families and but it is kind of a weakup call to it show the rest of the world that you can't define islam by culture. it is anybody can be a muslim and extremists for that matter and it is unfortunate. >> geraldo: in this case racial pro filing is okay?

>> well, ahmed ahmed seems like a fine fell lee. it wasn't like that after 9/11. stand lax security line it is all blonde girls. he says his name was on the list for the watch list. so was ted did i kennedy's and i want to go back to one other thing. >> geraldo: and i was on the no fly list. >> i would totally put you on a no fly list. >> the mustache. >> and russia warning us about this guy. i want to make one point here. >> geraldo: go ahead. >> and yet we are going to have the government check out 20 million illegal immigrants in the next three months under marco rubio's bill but they can't get this right. >> geraldo: the gratuitous slam. >> into new york city we will have a mayor who wants to stop, stop and frisk. they averted 15 terrorist attacks in the city. ray kelly is doing a great job and now they want a watch dog watching him. he is stopping them. the left is going so far to the left.

stop the stop and frisk. not getting guns, maybe bombs. next you can't go and eavesdrop on the muslim fellow because you are infringing upon his rights. where are the rights of the 8-year-old and the kids who had their legs blown up here. we have to have our people safe and whatever we got to do we got to do and the people in washington and the supreme court got to understand the little kids didn't deserve to get blown up like that. >> mike tobin is in watertown. welcome to the program. who is with you? >> well, i have a couple of guys who live in the neighborhood in watertown. just a block and a half outside of the search grid and that is why dhokhar tsarnaev was able to lay here undetected for as long as he did. shot the video going around on the networks. i want to talk to you about the explosion. you were a volunteer at the

marathon. what did you see and what did you do? >> i was in kenworth square three quarters of a mile from where the bomb had gone off. we heard the bombs and we were dealing with the stranded runners who were obviously displaced. they had no food, no money, no cell phones no, way of contacting their family. so we marathon volunteers had a rally to help them out as well and get them swing stated with their families. >> skip forward to thursday night. had you heard about the shootouts before things started happening in your neighborhood. >> i went for a washington earlier in the evening and then went to bed and i was woke up by a telephone call by the watertown police department alerting to us stay indoors. >> when was the first time you saw the cars and police showing. >> i 6:00 a.m. my neighborhood was not in the direct perimeter but you a couple of streets away we had s.w.a.t. vehicles all over the place. >> you shot the video that is rolling right now.

what was the first thing that you saw that made you realize something was going on? >> sitting in my condo and we heard a couple of chirps and the police were flying down the street. not the sirens going but you sometimes a quick chirp and my 9/11 ties and i quickly jumped up and looked and looked out the window and there were patrols on foot heavily armed running down the street away from my condo five houses down to where the is suspect was is. >> jump forward. just about a day later when the secure in place was lifted. you weren't feeling comfortable at the time when the secure in place was lifted. correct? >> it is true. it was announced you could leave and go out and i was thinking perhapses this might be an opportunity for is someone if they were tired and hungry and nightfall was coming upon them that they might take this as an opportunity to move so i kind of looked at my nephew and said let's just

wait, risk reward, wait and see what happens because something could happen in the next 35 minutes. >> something did happen. explain what happened right before the shooting. >> right before the shootout we were sitting there and the cars came by and that was what i explained before. the cars came down the street and the patrols came down and fanned out into our yard. and the neighbor's yards and i don't know why we just grabbed our cameras and started videotaping as much as we could. any fact ran out to the back deck for a little while and the police whistled at me and directed me to go right back inside so did i. i shut the door and pulled the blinds down and went back to the front of house and grabbed my ipad and started recording. >> we have seen the video this is okay and ath is over and a lot of people are thankful for that. zacarias at the moment is in --

dhokhar is intubeiated and sedated. it moves forward. the charges haven't come yet and could come any time, geraldo are. >> geraldo: what is wrong with that? >> you don't want him to have a lawyer? >> no, that was a sarcastic ex-hale in general. >> i was part of the practitioner's group that made the recommendation to the white house with the high value detainee interrogation group now the hig. we hear hig is on the the scene. the best and the brightest. >> geraldo: it has been there. >> not a matter of about miranda or are being able to talk. the exception to public safety. he will be talked to. >> geraldo: he will be talked to, fine. we will be right back, folks. the cost of all this, coming up. [ male announcer ] why is kellogg's crunchy nut so delicious?

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>> geraldo: one of the extraordinary things about this whole saga at the height of the manhunt for the boston suspects the entire city of boston shut down. schools, businesses. highways. mass transit. a million people told to stay home. shelter in place. the star of fox business liz clayman is here to give us the economic toll of this act of terror. you have a big fan there in bo. >> thank you, bo. >> what did the trade center cost many billions. i forget how many billions. >> just to new york city, the world trade center coming down and all of the lost risk

revenue and lost jobs in the wake of that was $95 billion. it ended up being $2 trillion tore $3 trillion for the entire nation when you talk about the psychological impact. >> geraldo: 2 or $3 trillion. what about boston? >> we don't know the numbers just yet but if you tell 625,000 people who live in the boston area, boston proper and then the surrounding areas about 1.5 million no mass transit. the t they shut down, the underground, of course. they had no buses. they were commandeering the buses to bring in the police officers. amtrak service suspended. forget it. taxi is service suspended. you didn't have people going to work and these are companies within the boston proper area cambridge as well, you are talking about biogen, boston properties. state street bank. new balance. sam adams. bain capital is in there. carbonite. sap the german software giant.

shut them dune. i talked to the ceo and he said we are not taking any chances at all. most companies said forget it everybody stay home. the lost money and needless to say we understand how you important the emotional and human toll is, that super cedes everything. it will take awhile to know the real cost of this. >> geraldo: in the double digit billions? where are do you figure? >> could very well be a billion plus. i would give it that at the moment because you also have major league sports that had to postpone two games. last night you had the red sox shotting down and saying no game. shut down fenway park because they hadn't caught the guy yet. you cannot take that chance. if you look at the gate receipts for rest so red sox ga sing isle home game $2.2 million in lost tickets. the fact is last night all of the bars and restaurants got hammered. the bruins game versus the pittsburgh penguins.

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>> geraldo: what are your reaction to all the events that happened since the devastating and awful bombing? >> way too close to home. a life long boston resident. my whole family has a lot of pride for the city and for the boston marathon event. we superbeen involved for a long period of time. my reaction is sadness for the families. >> now, your dad and your uncle both officials at the marathon. where exactly were they? and where were you? >> my dad and uncle were at the finish line. my is sister just finished and my brother just finished and my fiancee had got p off the train to see me finish. when i was stopped a half mile and started hearing the words that something terrible happened at the finish line i can't explain the panic i was in. you know, runners backed up and rumors circulated it was just -- it went -- i went from the ultimate high having a

great race to really the ultimate low of oh, my god i don't know what happened to any of my family. >> geraldo: will the race ever be the same for you again, katie? >> we have to show the world what an amazing city this is and we are resilient and we will come back. my family and friends are planning on coming back next year. i know duvall patrick said it will be bigger and better than ever. i truly believe that. >> geraldo: when you are hearing that the that did this have been in the country since they were youngsters, radicalized apparently, chechens, refugees what are your feelings about that? >> people said they seemed normal and they wrestled and they boxed and they were athletic. seeing the pictures online of the suspect so close to martin richards who is one of victims of this. you wouldn't have thought twice that day and i'm sure the friends of these two now you terrible gentlemen i'm sure if

they said they were going to go to the boston marathon probably didn't think twice about it. probably said you are going to a great event and going to cheer on some great runners. terrible to think that people who would do something like this are walking among us. >> geraldo: the ability to put a bomb at the feet of an-year-old. >> i haven't slept well this whole week. just to know that there are people in the city that would put a bomb at an 8-year-old's feet. i mean what is the world coming to. it's terrible. >> geraldo: when you see the video of your sister sobbing? >> i have seen it too many times. her first marathon and she did fantastic and a great race. you can see her saying i just need to go find my dad and it was a great volunteer that you ushered her away from the finish line. in a lot of ways it is unfortunate we have to see her pain and terror over and over again and it is a picture that

i think ising. >> to live on long after these events become a memory. >> katie, thank you. >> thank you. i appreciate it. >> geraldo: of all of the images folks boston fighting back from the disgusting and cowardly attack i want to leave you tonight with my favorite. red sox slugger david ortiz letting the terrorists know what he thinks of them. here is pappy. >> this is our [ bleep ] city! and nobody going to dictate us. stray strong! >> geraldo: i want to thank liz. thank you very much. robert. always a pleasure. and you knew some people that got busted up. >> yep, yep. >> it is not even a week. feels like it has been a month. >> geraldo: good night, everybody. [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus presents the cold truth.

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good evening, i >>. good evening, i'm mike huckabee with a fox news alert. arm guards are protecting dzhokar tsarnaev at a boston hospital. u.s. intelligence agents say a special team is standing by to question him. his older brother and alleged accomplice killed a shooting outside of boston in watertown, massachusetts. adam housley is live from beth israel medical center in boston. adam? >> good evening, governor. you know, we're getting some updates on a u.s. attorney's

office says they have not filed charges and he is serious and stable condition. this is one of the hospitals where a number of victims were brought after the blast. his own brother was pronounced dead here, as well. in this hospital at this hour there is significant number of law enforcement both outside and inside. you can't go into the hospital without proper identification. any bag or thing you bring is searched. we have a picture that shows him last night in the ambulance. you can see he is bloodied up. grainy picture but gives you the idea a he had multiple injuries. we know one of the gunshot injuries came from the initial shootout with police after the carjacking. there is a lot of information where his injuries are. we know one is in the head and neck region and one is in the leg. nothing confirmed by the f.b.i. all that information will come through the f.b.i. they did say he was in serious

but stable condition, but they would have some sort of statement tonight as. as of this hour, that statement has not been released. >> you said there were a lot of police at the hospital. what about members of the public any protestors? >> there are no protestors, but there have been a number of public officers walking around. you is a a bunch of red sox fans walking around. you see a large medical campus. you see a lot of medical students, doctors and nurses where the media has camped out. it has grown rather large knowing that the suspect is inside there. they have a interrogation team on standby and we say two f.b.i. agents leave here around 4:30 in the that is kind of the scene here. no protests whatsoever and we are on private property so even if that was to be the case they

would be moved off. we have seen a number of people come by. last night, on wait here few blocks down the street where the boston college here, there is a number of colleges here, people may not be familiar if you are not from the area. they blocked off the street with about 400 or 500 students cheering cars that went through. every time an emergency vehicle came through any type they let out a large roar. it was interesting to see that last night even though doctors are working to save his life. thank you very much. let's turn to the federal investigation which is looking closely on the older suspect's travels back to russia last year. for that we go to catherine herridge in washington. what have we learned about his possible ties to islamic roots? >> good evening. we are told by two sources that investigators are looking at potential ties to a group called

the kauk lkuskuses emirate. the reason they are looking at that is based on two factors. one the older brother's travel to russia when he went to chechnya and more importantly what he posted on his youtube site between august of 2012 and when the incident happened. this is group that was designated a terrorist group by the u.s. state department as well as the al-qaeda and taliban sanction committee two years ago. it is well known islamist group. >> what have we learned about the f.b.i.'s initial contact with the older brother? >> back in 2011 the f.b.i. had a request from the russian government. they put on a statement last night revealing some of the details about the request. it reads in part that the russian government had

information that the older brother was a follower of radical islam and a strong believer. he had changed drastically since 2010 and they believe he traveled to russia to join an unspecified group. what we know based on this, the f.b.i. did a review of tamerian tsarnaev background and they didn't come up with anything that was terrorist activity. let me explain why that is important now. the same year the russian government, what do you know about this guy? we think she radical islamist. this is the same year the group over in chief knee yeah was declared a trivtd entity. once he comes back he makes a website where he is posting jihadist literature. when you start to connect the dots is this trip to russia and

radicalization process. >> do we really have enough intelligence to follow some of these small groups we haven't heard about? >> two main points. number one there is a lot of good intelligence gathering not only by federal investigators but also by the intelligence community. the american public has to ask themselves whether they want the government more into a business in order to prevent every attack. there is a certain amount of risk. i'm not minimizing what happened in bfb but there is a certain amount of risk if we are going maintain what the american culture and democracy really stands for. second of all, i wrote about it in my book and we talked about it on your show, they specifically targeted u.s. citizens ever since 2006 because they understand they may not be able to get their own people into the united states, but they will be able to get u.s. citizens or in the case of the old esh brother, someone who is

legal, permanent resident. i'm not suggesting there is a direct to al-qaeda here. what i am saying there is good evidence that these extremist groups tried to target american citizens if they want to spread in ideology. people they referred as cleaned skin, people that don't have a record as well. >> i'm thank you very much. >> let me commend you and all the fox team, i've never in my life been so proud to be affiliated with a group of people as i have the fox news correspondents over the last week. if you've been watching you probably noticed that fox news has broken many of the key elements of this story. you probably also noticed that many of them have been on their feet for 16, 18 hours a day and on the air. they still sound good and i'm proud of them. >> all right. did the feds do enough in their initial investigation of

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joining me is the covert operation officer and of a global security firm. mike, let me start by one of the follow-up procedures that the f.b.i. will use in a situation like that when they are investigating the older brother. >> it is not an unusual incident. we get a lot of request from foreign liason partners all of the time. looking at terrorism connection or organized crime conthe russians turned to us and said look at this individual is not unusual. there is a back story and the ongoing brutality of the chechnya russian relationship . that forms some what of the atmosphere behind this and the russians say we have someone we are worried about. that is going to at least inform to some degree how they

feel the russians are doing. in the end of the day, they go and look at the databases and go out and do a interview as they did . if they don't find anything. they don't find anything . the problem is, it is after the factfact of course. they wrap today up and they didn't have evidence and then they would have been kicked around the block repeatedly for infringing on the poor immigrant's rights because the russians with history of the butitality with the chechnyas,ment topped find something out. >> i want to ask you about the fort hood shooting, does it need to be reexamined it is calmed workplace violence. isn't it time we take a second look at that? >> absolutely. the fact that it a moronic decision on the part of self rightous individuals to label

that the fort hood shooting a workplace violent incident. the fact that they labeled that doesn't change the fact that the shooter was influenced by radical islam. it a terror incident and encourage would by contact with radical islam and that theology. we have people at this point. we have people who are reluctant to acknowledge the fact that indirectly or directly. they were influenced by the theology of radical islam. that is an important outreach program by the jihadist and radical islam. we have changed the nature . beast and we denied them permanent training camps and taken out a number of the operational leaders and they

have grown to understand that the holy grail is to identify disaffected individuals who are easily impressionable and side in the infedel homelands and turn those individuals into terrorist and they are successful elsewhere and the fort hood shooting is an example of it will we'll have daris long whose song murdered by a terrorist. the government has never call today a terrorist. mike, what should we be doing? everybody said we have had a terrible event in boston. what do we do to stop this and keep it from happening again? >> well, the unsatisfying response. you can't reduce the risk down to zero. you know why they don't have much terrorism in china?

they don't have terrorism in north korea, but we are nopt going to accept what it takes. there is it a trade off. more security means less privacy and civil liberties and invasion of our rights. we have gotten much better. the good part of this, over the years we have improved our safety and defenses and ability to be proactive and disrupt minimizing the attacks. weep can't something everything. everybodied in counter terrorism operation and law enforcement, they understand that. you never get the risk to zero. you lich with the knowledge that something will slip through. >> mike in 15 seconds: are we save? >> we are safer. we are immeasurably safer than we say 10 or 12 years ago in part we are better than what

we do . cooperation with the agencies is better and technology improved our ability and dissimulate millions of pieces of information and the answer is, we are safer, we'll never be completely safe and we'll have to enjoy our liberties and line and things that we treasure and still maintain security. >> mike baker, thank you and great to have you with us tonight. >> and the rampant media speculation and a big week for citizen journalist, that's nownext.

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>> this week as f.b.i. and local authorities sifted through the evidence of find the people bep hind the bombing. a liberal website had a title let's hope the bomber is a white american. the cultural of radical islam is blamed. white terrorist are treated as lone woefuls. there is andrew who calledute the nonsense. greg a close friend of andrews and joined by the director of the new film. i want to start with you. andrew bitebart was not around for this particular . you followed him around making the documentary. what do you think he would have thought about the salon article this week.

>> thank you for having me on, governor. he would not have been surprised. he would referred to it as opinion pornography and? sort of communication road kill. it is tintalizing and taboo and not sure to look at it when you go by. you he would expect people to look at it. what is represent article is the progressive school of thought. when barack obama talk body fundmentally changing the united states of america, this is what he was talking about. it is changing the narrative from one of american exceptionalism personal responsibility to a american asist -- racist and serving the white manner class.

>> is it terrorist to say you hope it is a white person. >> no, that only goes one way. a leftist can project his own racism and get away with it if andrew brightbar was alive today he would have died laughing reading the comum . you might have a photoof david sarota throwing a jab . i think brightbar was great. he found there nothing funnier, that is amazing. there is nothing funnier than someone who takes themselves seriously. no one would pick that picture. it plays off an anti-american sentiment. sirota believes that america can't handle anything but a white terrorist and somehow be thrown in a wild back lash and

go burning buildings and invading countryings. it -- countries. that is entirely opposite of how andrew lived life. >> to follow up. andrew brightbar was a pioneer in citizen journalism. we saw people posting photos from boston that helped to catch these guys. how important is citizen journalism in a world where everything is digital and everybody has a camera. >> there is two kind. the brightbar that is relentless and focused type of journalism and okay, we know that there is something there in andrew weiner's story that is not true. we must dig until we find the truth and do not let naysayers and liars get in the way and he got people involved and

citizen journalism and he won, it looked like weiner might be coming back. but the other kind of journalism i am worried and the kind i got drawn into thursday night, so many people involved that the wrong person is implicated in a crime. i saw the retweeting of two gentlemen that turned out not to be the suspects and i bought into it. i saw two young men, who turned out to have nothing to do with the crime retweeted and that i assumed those were the guys and i went to bed thinking they finishingered the guys. the problem with citizen journalism, it is a big messy drunk party. next morning you wake up half . things you did wrong. >> i appreciate you being here. at least in the case of the boston bombers some of them were right. the documentary will be hitting the theaters may 17th.

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was sparked by someone gardening in the backyard. no homes have been damaged and four acre brush fire is burning across town near interstate 405. now, back to huckabee. for all your latest headlines log on to foxnews.com. he's poking a hole through the liner of the boat. we have a live party in the boat. trying to hold a hole through the boat. live party in the boat confirmed. >> dzhokhar tsarnaev the suspect is hospitalized in serious condition and under armed guard. the investigators haven't been able to question him yet. he was found hiding in the boat and taken into custody after a final change of gunfire in watertown. that's where we found mike to bin.

mike? >> governor, this is the neighborhood where david spotted someone wound bleed hiding in the boat. he did what investigators urged people to do. he backed off and called 911. police recovers and canine units and federal agents were racing to the scene and the helicopter produced a thermal image of a heat signature and someone hide laying in the boat it was the 19 year old killer. he shot once and a gun battle ensued. resummoneding officers were nervous that tsarnaev might be strapped to explosives. he was taken into custody and then the officers made him lift his shirt and then he

surrendered. no where was the celebration sweeter than fenway park where a song that a signature sung by the crowd and the man who sings it best. neal diamond. >> are you ready? ♪ sweet carrolline. ♪ you just niver been so good. ♪ [ singing ] and what is interesting about that, governor. neil diamond flew to town on his own nickel and volunteered and they let him sing. goch gov? - governor? >> they would let him sing for sure. how this guy able to elude the search teamings. how did he escape them? >> it is very interesting.

the chief of police said this location is a block and half outside of the perimeter of the search. he able to hide inside of the boat if that is the first indication and he was undetected from the search teams. it is hard to say how badly he was wounded at the time. he a half hour away from the cover of darkness again, governor. >> mike tobin. thank you and great reporting from boston. >> the high school class mate of tsarnaev confirm would twitter handle of jczar and said it the boston bomber. he quoted through his tweet a jay z. ain't no love in the heart of the city. stay safe people . hours later. he tweeted another message to his followerings. there are people who know the truth and stay silent and people who speak the truth but

we don't hear them because they are the minority. the fact he walked around on the campus and send out messages on twitter as if he hadn't murdered an eight year old and sent dozens of people to the hospital permanently maimed is an indication of what kind of conscience he failed to have. npr counter terrorism correspondant's analysis of the boston bombing abdurd. temple linked major events in april why the bombing suspects were most likely right-wing individuals. she made those comments on the radio program on wednesday. >> think happening as we are reporting that it is a domestic extremist attack and officials are leaning that way because of the timing . attack. that is a big month for right wing and hitlers birthday and

oklahoma city bomb the assault in waco. >> truly? you know one of the thing thags comes to mind all of these things that happened in april. there is one for the left wing. april 1st. this kind of foolish comment where there is it a presupposition that it a right-wing southern white guy is offensive and absurted . what is worse, npr is taxpayer subsidized. it was offensive and we helped her pay for it. officials arrested dark dark tsarnaev and his uncle interviewed and asked how he feel he was captured. >> i feel surreal and relief that he is alive. i hope, you know, he will pull

through. he will be able to for his own sake seek forgiveness for those who have been harmed and hurt, from the families of the victims. >> one of the great tragedies of a situation like this, it is not just the people who commit the crime, but it is their families who often are unfortunately having to suffer. now there have been a variety of the comments from various family members but you got to feel a sense of compassion for the uncle who shared how grateful he is to be in america and how proud he is to be an american and how ashamed high was of his two nephews and the fact that there a division between him and other people in the family. all i can hope, our hearts go

out to the uncle and other members of the family that had nothing to do with the boston marathon bombing. it is right to punish the right people but wrong to punish the people who had nothing to do with it. >> are the two boston bombing suspects part of a much bigger problem? frank said they are and he weighs in on it next. stay with us. this is america. we don't let frequent heartburn come between us and what we love. so if you're one of them people who gets heartburn and en treats day after day... block the acid with prilosec otc and don't get heartburn in the first place! [ male announcer ] one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero hearurn. once you try an oral-b deep sweep power brush, you'll never want to go back. its dynamic power bristles reach between teeth to remove up to 76% more plaque than sonic in hard to reach areas. oral-b deep sweep 5000 power brush.

approximate >> the suspectings in the boston bombings are chechens and immigrating in the life of america with ease. joining me is frank, the assistant secretary of defense and founder of the center policy. frank, you have said this is part of something bigger than borston a. what do you mean by that? >> it is the face of global jihad as it is called. it is it a program that is defined by a doctrine that is the orthodoxy of islam. not all ascribe to it. but it is it called sharia and commands the adherence to engage in holy war and jihad and impose the doctrine on everyone else . the facts we are seeing folks from chechnya means it is global and not confined to the

middle east or afghanistan or far east, it is it a world wide phenom nan and one that i think we ignore and fail to understand at our great peril. >> watching the video of the young men. they look like typical young guys walking around boston and there was not anything extraordinary about the outward appearance. no one would say they are islamic terrorist. this has to be cause for concern for law enforce the regular citizens walking around in the streets. >> it is why i think it is so important to understand motivation and not looking for an external crews. motivations in this case tell us about these folks and hail from a part of the world that is radicalize candidly because of vladimir putin's politicalal aspiration and spawned civil war there . the islamist operating in and

from chechnya. here is the point, mike. if you look at the doctrine and the infrastructure that is put in place to promote it. it is not just al qaeda that is about this. there is a lot of other groups that are violent jihadist and something that is called civiliation jihad. the premer on the muslim brotherhood's stradge -- strategic plan . the fact that the f.b.i. which we know interviewed one of the brothers about a year or so ago, failed to detect his jihadist impulse i would suggest in part because of the success of thization jihad that made it impermissible for the f.b.i. to know. they have had their files purged of information that give offense to these .

that mines the f.b.i. is less able to deal with the threat and >> what should we do differently? i am nopt talking about the f.b.i., i am just talking about all of us. >> the first part of business is to learn what we are up against. the famous chinese strategist said you can't defeat an enemy you don't know. there is a wealth of material in places like that . the explanatory memorandum and introduced in evidence and takes them 15 minut read it and it tells them what we are up against and gives you insight in the terfolly of the embrace of the muslim brotherhood and helped to bring them to power in egypt and next in syria and other places around the world and very much advance the agenda in the united states . once we are clear about the nature of the enemy and take

sleeps and legislative in some cases and in terms of a national neighborhood watch program for example in another respect and empowering our law enforcement officials to be clear about what we are up against and take constructive steps against them. that's what we need to be doing right now. >> thanks to frank. >> despite what you heard the boston marathon attack not the first. it was the fort hood and deadly shooting outside of a army recruiting station that four years ago. the white house said it not terror, a new law said it was. the father of a soldier who was gunned down outside of a recruiting station joins me [ male announcer ] when you're at the corner of "multivitamin" and "multiple choice," come to walgreens

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>> we'll investigate any association that the terrorist may have had and continue to do whatever we have to do to keep our people safer. >> the boston marathon was called an act of terror hours after it happened. but the shooting at a little rock office guy a jihadist was never called terrorisma private kill would by a karlos bledso of memphis, tennessee. before he went to yemen and became radicalized. andy's father joins me now. when you were on the show before, you talked about the film regarding your son's death call would losing our son. that appearance stir people to action. >> yes, governor, good

evening, and i would like to thank you for that. it resulted in last wednesday being signed into law in arkansas by the governor,andy's law that provides for enhanced civil penaltyings for a terrorist act. 117 legislators voted for it and one did not and she said she pressed the wrong button and it is near unanimous what it. >> daruous i can tell you from having been there if you get that many votes on anything it is incredible. how did it make you feel getting the law pass named after your son. >> the fact that it was named after him said a lot. i am grateful to the arkansas legislature, but it is just a beginning. the state knows what it was, but our federal government doesn't. i watching the night before last, tyrone woods father was

on one of the shopes and he said i am waiting for an answer, 7 months later, the ft. hood people are waiting three and half years later and i am still waiting for answers four years later issue. the president spoke in his speech about the victims have a right for answers. well, i would like mine. >> you know, i think your story is one of those that is so amazing. because there was a time in the f.b.i. agents contacted you and they knew the young man, karlos bledso who killed your son radicalized but after the event, they would have nothing to do with this, and no one from the federal government would give you an answer . i guess from what you said, you still have never been given an answer from the federal government as to whether it terrorism and all of us would say of course it

is. the young man admitted he was a jihadist and did it on purpose and did it as part of that. >> what strikes me, governor, the f.b.i. knew about karlos bled so in yemen and when he got back here. he didn't show up for a polygraph test. with ft. hood. they knew about nadal hasan . in this case in boston, they had one of these guys under stur sur. they had three events and the people in their sights at one time or another . you know, laws, you have to prove someone guilty, i am not a lawyer, but it seems strange to me that there is that involvement by federal law enforcement and these things still happen. >> daris, what were you thinking when you saw the events unfold in boston this

week? >> i didn't see is initially. i at work someone came back and told me. i had to walk away. when i finally had a chance to see it on one of the break room television sets, it a different network and my thoughts went to the families, there are families going through what i did . what also came to me, it may sound bad, but i felt elation in that there were main stream media covered it. they couldn't walk it back . so in the little rock no one covered it. but in this case, there is no way they could ignore it and thankfully, they have caught these guys and my biggest concern in the last couple of days, they would not catch them alive. if they hadn't caught them alive it would have died. >> faris.

>> now you have witnesses to testify. >> daris, you are a great inspiration to me. when i met you and the father of karlos and the two of you join together and i saw you both on our show talking about your desire to help americans understand, it happened me heart. iment to thank you for being here tonight. it is's please tower talk to you again. i hope people see the film losing our sons. it is a powerful film every american needs to see. i will be back with final i will be back with final thoughtings next. i'm the world's worst cleaning lady.

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the bombing at the finish line of the boston marathon was depickable because of the carnage caused by the malicious monsters who cold bloodedly and casually placed bombs to kill and mame innocent bystanders and children. also a moment that defiled an

vent that is far more than a mere athletic endeavor of all of the things i have done only marriage and the birth of my children and grand children equal the ex-hill ration of crossing the finish line of a marathon. i have done it twice. on two occasions i was registered for the boston marathon but never got to do it. marathoners are unique in that the participants are competing against each other but competing against them sals. for many the culmination of months and years of dedicated training and discipline to finish what most people don't even dare to start. crossing the finish at the marathon is feeling that if i can do this i can do anything. the people running a marathon the other runners aren't black pore wheat or brown or yellow,

democrat or republican. not any other nationality. they are a part of a unique bond that is formed among those who compete 22.6 miles on their feet crossing the finish line is truly he a holy moment to defile the finish line of a marathon is to desecrate the sanctity of our collective soul. boston is a strong city and it is going to recover. but boston, it is hard -- its hard working people and its star royed marathon deserve much better than having mad dogs acting out their perverted religious evil on holy ground. well, we are going to be back live tomorrow night. judge andrew napolitano joining me and we will talk about the prosecution of the boston marathon bombing suspect. "justice"